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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://maidofmight.net/2007/02/dc-talks-to-women-eddie-berganza/comment-page-1/#comment-913</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 17:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahhh.  I think I&#039;m starting to get it.  &quot;It&quot; being why the Supergirl book leaves me consistently cold -- which it does.  

If not DC&#039;s exact demographic, I probably come close:  a guy in his early 40s with a job and a family, both amused and grateful that comics -- basically, a happy childhood pastime -- have grown up enough to keep my interest all these years later.  I see guys like myself every time I shop at Midtown Comics in Manhattan, in far larger numbers than the adolescent fanboy set (or any women at all).

But think about what my demographic means.  To keep my interest, the comics that I read (and I read a lot of them) need to meet some basic criteria.  They need to preserve the childhood joys while simultaneously offering adult pleasures -- better plots, dialogue and characterization than the Silver Age was capable of.  Childlike and grownup at the same time -- it must be a challenge for writers, which is why so many of them fail at it.

Michelle&#039;s post, though, helps me understand the problem in more detail.  After all, an industry (or company) that deliberately targets adolescent boys is going to miss me as much as it misses her.  Sure, I share their Mittyesque fantasies of power; but it has been a long time since I shared their perverse objectification of women, as scary fetish objects or whatever else.  It just isn&#039;t enough to have show me a pretty girl in a tight outfit, and occasionally have her either in chains or bursting out of them.  I&#039;m looking for stories about credible people, with credible motives and relationships.  (&quot;Credible&quot; apart from, y&#039;know, the flying and heat vision....).

In other words, the same kind of writing that ticks off thoughtful women is going to tick off (or at least bore) thoughtful men, at least once we get out of our teens and start earning enough money to buy comics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahhh.  I think I&#8217;m starting to get it.  &#8220;It&#8221; being why the Supergirl book leaves me consistently cold &#8212; which it does.  </p>
<p>If not DC&#8217;s exact demographic, I probably come close:  a guy in his early 40s with a job and a family, both amused and grateful that comics &#8212; basically, a happy childhood pastime &#8212; have grown up enough to keep my interest all these years later.  I see guys like myself every time I shop at Midtown Comics in Manhattan, in far larger numbers than the adolescent fanboy set (or any women at all).</p>
<p>But think about what my demographic means.  To keep my interest, the comics that I read (and I read a lot of them) need to meet some basic criteria.  They need to preserve the childhood joys while simultaneously offering adult pleasures &#8212; better plots, dialogue and characterization than the Silver Age was capable of.  Childlike and grownup at the same time &#8212; it must be a challenge for writers, which is why so many of them fail at it.</p>
<p>Michelle&#8217;s post, though, helps me understand the problem in more detail.  After all, an industry (or company) that deliberately targets adolescent boys is going to miss me as much as it misses her.  Sure, I share their Mittyesque fantasies of power; but it has been a long time since I shared their perverse objectification of women, as scary fetish objects or whatever else.  It just isn&#8217;t enough to have show me a pretty girl in a tight outfit, and occasionally have her either in chains or bursting out of them.  I&#8217;m looking for stories about credible people, with credible motives and relationships.  (&#8220;Credible&#8221; apart from, y&#8217;know, the flying and heat vision&#8230;.).</p>
<p>In other words, the same kind of writing that ticks off thoughtful women is going to tick off (or at least bore) thoughtful men, at least once we get out of our teens and start earning enough money to buy comics.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
		<link>http://maidofmight.net/2007/02/dc-talks-to-women-eddie-berganza/comment-page-1/#comment-874</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2007 13:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the link! I will warn you though, I&#039;m a rather sporadic blogger =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link! I will warn you though, I&#8217;m a rather sporadic blogger =)</p>
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		<title>By: Shelly</title>
		<link>http://maidofmight.net/2007/02/dc-talks-to-women-eddie-berganza/comment-page-1/#comment-870</link>
		<dc:creator>Shelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2007 05:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, thanks for the link. Cool blog, definitely one I need to read and link to. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, thanks for the link. Cool blog, definitely one I need to read and link to. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
		<link>http://maidofmight.net/2007/02/dc-talks-to-women-eddie-berganza/comment-page-1/#comment-778</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Feb 2007 20:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joel: Thank you for the kind words. I wasn&#039;t sure how people would react to some of the things I said. I tried not to rehash what everyone else has said on the subject, which isn&#039;t easy because we all seem to be thinking on the same wavelength! It&#039;s great that they&#039;re &lt;em&gt;trying&lt;/em&gt; to address the concerns that everyone&#039;s been having. I&#039;d resigned myself to the fact that no one cared, and that this Supergirl would never be for me. I&#039;d love for that to change.

Mark: Thanks for dropping by. You&#039;ve been busy! I&#039;ve seen your name just about everywhere, and I&#039;ve got to admire your courage in braving all these blogs and boards where emotions are running pretty high. It&#039;s both reassuring to know that our concerns are reaching someone, and disconcerting to know that creators are listening in on our conversations ;-) Oh, and I&#039;ve bought comics specifically because I enjoyed the creator&#039;s online participation (White Tiger, most recently), so hanging out with us does pay off =)

Ami: that was my impression too. Thank you for coming by just to hear &lt;em&gt;me&lt;/em&gt; *smiles* I&#039;m really flattered, and more encouraged than ever to keep posting my own peculiar impressions on things. I would have posted sooner, but I only stumbled upon it by accident the day before. And that&#039;s when my head exploded...!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joel: Thank you for the kind words. I wasn&#8217;t sure how people would react to some of the things I said. I tried not to rehash what everyone else has said on the subject, which isn&#8217;t easy because we all seem to be thinking on the same wavelength! It&#8217;s great that they&#8217;re <em>trying</em> to address the concerns that everyone&#8217;s been having. I&#8217;d resigned myself to the fact that no one cared, and that this Supergirl would never be for me. I&#8217;d love for that to change.</p>
<p>Mark: Thanks for dropping by. You&#8217;ve been busy! I&#8217;ve seen your name just about everywhere, and I&#8217;ve got to admire your courage in braving all these blogs and boards where emotions are running pretty high. It&#8217;s both reassuring to know that our concerns are reaching someone, and disconcerting to know that creators are listening in on our conversations ;-) Oh, and I&#8217;ve bought comics specifically because I enjoyed the creator&#8217;s online participation (White Tiger, most recently), so hanging out with us does pay off =)</p>
<p>Ami: that was my impression too. Thank you for coming by just to hear <em>me</em> *smiles* I&#8217;m really flattered, and more encouraged than ever to keep posting my own peculiar impressions on things. I would have posted sooner, but I only stumbled upon it by accident the day before. And that&#8217;s when my head exploded&#8230;!</p>
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		<title>By: Ami Angelwings</title>
		<link>http://maidofmight.net/2007/02/dc-talks-to-women-eddie-berganza/comment-page-1/#comment-770</link>
		<dc:creator>Ami Angelwings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Feb 2007 10:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yus, I agree, the opening wasn&#039;t very funny at all and I think the whole thing came off as a sorta nod to male fans like &#039;dun worry I&#039;m still with you, but you know those silly girls complain a lot&#039;. :\

Still, I guess we&#039;ll see.  I DO like the new artist tho IF he keeps drawing her like he drew her for the Holiday Special :)  However, the writing has to match up. :&#124;

Great post tho!  I kept checking to see if you had written nething about this cuz I like your opinions and writing :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yus, I agree, the opening wasn&#8217;t very funny at all and I think the whole thing came off as a sorta nod to male fans like &#8216;dun worry I&#8217;m still with you, but you know those silly girls complain a lot&#8217;. :\</p>
<p>Still, I guess we&#8217;ll see.  I DO like the new artist tho IF he keeps drawing her like he drew her for the Holiday Special :)  However, the writing has to match up. :|</p>
<p>Great post tho!  I kept checking to see if you had written nething about this cuz I like your opinions and writing :D</p>
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